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Newsgroups: alt.religion.mormon
From: Absalom
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997

Someone wrote:

>Ex-Mormons, 

First of all. Many of us are not ex-mormons, we are mormons to the core and center of our being. Everything we are and ever will be is Mormon. We just happen to believe that the LDS church has not remained true and faithful to the covenants which she made, and has forgotten what it means to be Mormon.

A more appropriate term to use would be ex-LDS. I most often describe myself as an anti-LDS pro-Mormon Fundamentalist.

>if you have been so spurned by this why 
>can't you just leave it?

Why do you deny us our Christianity, and our Mormonism? Why do you tell us we will die spiritually if we do not follow the brethren? Can you not see that the Lord has not forsaken us? Can you not see even the tiniest bit of truth when we speak of the horrible persecution that is waged by the church against those who have the nerve to admit that there might be some tiny, insignificant speck of an error in the church or it's leaders. If you do not have the foresight to recognize the possibility for error within the church, then you will never have the opportunity to recognize an error if it crept up on the church, and you would never be able to repent of it. If you won't listen to us while we are inside the church, but would prefer to cast us out over a difference of doctrine, then we will speak from the outside. Either way, the Lord has and will warn the LDS against the sin which runs rampant within the church.

The scriptures condemn the LDS church in much harsher tones than the typical ex-LDS is willing to do.

And by the way, the name of this newsgroup is alt.religion.mormon, not alt.religion.lds. The Mormon experience is much more encompassing and fulfilling than the narrow set of telestial teachings which the LDS  currently proclaim as the fullness of the gospel.

>Oh its so untrue huh? 

You don't live the truths of your religion. It is for your lack of obedience that we call you to repentance, not for the truths of Mormonism. We hold you accountable for not living in accordance to the truth that you have already received.

>Why do freaks like you ex mormons haunt the 
>internet with the sole purpose of seeking out
>individuals who are mormons who are pro lds 
>and seek to destroy their testimony?

The pro-LDS will destroy themselves or not, without any help at all from me. If the typical active LDS hasn't already been condemned to hell by reading the scriptures and ignoring their message, then what good are my rantings and ravings going to do? What LDS person has kept the law of consecration as promised in the temple? We are taught that by not keeping every covenant made in the temple, that we are in the power of the nameless one.

Those who are like minded with me, will gather together with me into our own personal space on the Internet, and we will devote ourselves to the building of Zion. If some who happen to also be LDS choose come along with us, and happen to get kicked out of the church for believing that it is prudent to build up Zion today, and to live the law of consecration today, then they are welcome to our fellowship, LDS or not.

Those who taught me the wisdom necessary to free myself  from the "follow the infallible brethren delusion" have my eternal gratitude and loyalty. God has indeed smiled kindly upon  me in the intervening years. I used to fear that if I didn't do everything my church leaders told me to do, as soon as they said, that God would not bless me. It was a hollow fear, because I have learned that if I follow Christ, despite anything my church leaders may say, or threaten, or do, that the Holy Spirit burns brightly within my soul. Once I got to know Christ, church leaders became irrelevant.

It is indeed unfortunate that the LDS insist that every doctrine and every policy of the church is the mind and the will of God, and always has been and always will be. It makes it so easy for  someone with a good set of reference materials to find a statement from church history that shows the current prophet disagreeing with a previous prophet. It is unfortunate indeed that when this happens, the typical reaction of so many members is to say, "I was lied to/deceived" therefore the whole thing from the time of Joseph Smith on was nothing but a big lie. Therefore, I  am an atheist, and will never have anything to do with God or religion again. Now that is a sad occurrence.

It is however a joyful experience to have a latter day saint embrace one of the fundamentalist mormon faiths. It is a sure sign that they take the covenants they have made seriously indeed. We often find that the only way an LDS member can keep the faith, and their temple covenants, is to worship with the fundamentalists.

>If you were truly these "Enlightened" people 
>then you would have the light
>enough to stay away. 

Hide my light under a bushel? Why are you frightened by the light which I bring with me? Do you have a weak testimony and fear that I will convert you? Or that I will convert your wife and add her to my harem of other wives? Or your daughter? You can't meet the challenge of a spiritually alive non-LDS Mormon Fundamentalist, so you wish us to hide from your view? You can cast us out of your church and your meetings, but those who are like minded with us, will find us through the grace of god, and together in the bonds of love we will get on with the business of building Zion.

The day will come when you will cry out for light, and there will be none, for all that do good will have been gathered to Zion. What then brother? when there are no bearers of light in your midst, and you have to rely on your own source of light? Will you still ask that the light be hid from your view?

>That if the Church was that bad as 
>you speak of it, then you would not want 
>to have anything to do with it, wash your 
>hands like a bad dream.

Every time I attend an LDS service, I weep from the love I have for the people. My soul sorrows almost beyond bearing at the vanity and arrogance which has swallowed the church whole. Those who will be most troubled in heart at the second coming will be those who had thought that the were righteous, but in truth were an abomination in the sight of God, because they loved their fine clothing and fancy buildings more than they loved the poor and the widow.

>But you still reside within, always a 
>arms length away. I wonder, have you
>really left?

I am Mormon to the core of my being, always have been and as far as I can tell now, always will me. Nonetheless, when my mother the LDS church is fornicating with Babylon, I am going to  tell her it is wrong, even if she runs me out of the house for saying so. Eventually daddy will come home and kick butt. In the mean time, I am not going to disappear just cause mama is mad at me for telling the truth about her adultery.

> Would it be possible to get a 
>specific example of where the Lord has
>"warn[ed] the LDS against the sin 
>which runs rampant within the church." 
>Can you also be more specific about 
>the "sin which runs rampant within the church."

The major sin of the LDS people is pride. One manifestation of this pride is believing that we have a  fullness of the gospel, and all light and understanding, and that we are lead by an infallible prophet  who could never lead us astray. Thus in our pride, we are incapable of even recognizing the  possibility that we might need to repent.

Sorry I don't appeal to authority to make my points. Those who are familiar with the LDS church will be able from memory to come up with hundreds of quotes saying things to the effect that the LDS church is the "Fullness of the gospel", the "only true church"; that only through the temple ordinances that can only be administered by LDS, can a person be saved; that all churches other than LDS are of the evil one, that anyone who associates with or has kind feelings  towards another Mormon faith is wicked, that the Mormon Prophet holds ALL priesthood keys, etc, etc, etc, etc.

Those who can sense spiritually what is happening, will know instinctively what I am talking about. My message is not for the rest of you. You can listen and comment if you want, but I won't waste my time providing references for things that stare us in the face in the church. Those who can see will see.

Do you believe that the prophet will never lead the church astray? <parody mode on> Quacks, like a duck, Walks like a duck, Swims, like a duck. Naw, can't be a duck, I'd need a quote from an official source to be sure it was a duck.  Quacks like infallibility, walks like infallibility, swims like infallibility, stinks like infallibility. Gosh, I wonder if a prophet who cannot lead the people astray is infallible in his official capacity? Sure seems like infallibility to me. <parody mode off> <smirk mode on> Naw... <end smirk>

Which vanity and unbelief have caused the whole church to fall under condemnation, and will soon result in the utter destruction of this people. In case I don't get to say it in the future, it's been nice  interacting with you folks.... Sure have learned a lot from a.r.m. and have immense compassion and love for all of you.

We ain't quite done yet, but when it starts, I won't have time to say a proper goodbye, so I'll express my love and joy for you now. Take care. I leave my blessing upon you.

> And can you give specific scriptural 
>references that "condemn the LDS church..."?

D&C 84: 55-57, the whole church is under condemnation because of   VANITY and UNBELIEF. E.T. Benson said we still are condemned... And nobody since him has rescinded his message.

Mormon 8:26---> Speaking to those who have received the Book of Mormon, the Latter-day Saints, says, (in my own words), Why have ye built up churches that say, come unto us,  and for your tithing, you shall be able to get into the temple and thus gain eternal life... Why have you polluted the holy church of Christ... Ye do walk in the pride of your hearts... unto wearing of very fine apparel, (suits, ties, dresses), your churches, every one, (every ward and branch and stake) has become polluted by pride. you love money and substance and fine clothing more than you love the poor and the needy, the sick and the afflicted...

D&C 121:37 When we attempt to cover our sins, or to gratify our pride, or to exercise control or dominion upon others... The spirit of the Lord is grieved, and the priesthood of that man (group of men, church) is withdrawn.

Moroni 10: speaking to those who have received the Book of Mormon.... lists the gifts of the spirit, (many of which are actively discouraged in the LDS church today) and then says that if they are not present, it is because of unbelief.

D&C 101, a parable about the 12 apostles abandoning Christ.

Now that I have got you started, read the scriptures, and ask the question, "Is this passage talking about me and the LDS?"

It will open a whole new world to your understanding.

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